Please post any information you have on Diopters here.
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Hawkster318 |
Diopter Infomation FAQ |
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I am creating this post so that info on the Swiss and American diopters can be presented in one local.
Please post any information you have on Diopters here. Thank you. |
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Carlos diaopter |
How to sight in a diopter | ||
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Sighting in a diopter set
Pre-sight in: 1) Make sure rifle is unloaded. 2) Install diopter set properly on to the rifle. Make sure all the diopter screws are tight. 3) Loosen both action screws and both barrel band screws. 4) Hold rifle vertically with its butt plate against the ground, grab barrel and push towards butt. 5) Tighten front action screw first, then tang screw. Back off tang screw slightly. 6) Tighten front barrel band. Barrel should be centered in stock. 7) Tighten sling barrel band only enough so that the spring dtente can still be moved when you press on it. Sight in: 1) Get into shooting position with unloaded rifle. Everything you will need to shoot should be within arms reach. Do not get up or move your elbows too much. 2) Find the best place for your cheek on the stock. You should be fairly close to the safety ring. I use my thumb as a spacer between the ring and my nose to get the same cheek position time after time. I of course lower my thumb before firing. 3) Center the front sight hood in rear sight. Should have equal amount of space all around the outside of the front side hood 4) Aim at target, center it in the middle of your front sight ring or on top of the front sight post with a slight gap between the top of the post and the bottom of the target. 5) You should always be focusing on the front sight, not the target. 6) Dry fire a couple times. 7) Move to the third smallest hole available on the rear diopter sight. 8 ) See how sharp the front post or aperture is. 9) Compare the sharpness of the front sight using smaller and larger rear diopter hole sizes. Look for the clearest possible setting for the light conditions you have that day. 10) Now you can load the rifle! I just saved you a lot of money in ammo. 11) Keep a sheet of paper and a pencil handy. Keep track of every shot. 12) First shot is a fouler. Write:"1- F", and its clock position. 13) Fire three more shots and write down their clock positions. 14) Estimate where the center of shots 2, 3 and 4 is and correct accordingly. Remember each click is MOA. 15) Repeat from 13 until youre sighted in. Notes: All of the following are more noticeable as the shooting distance increases. 1) Expect your point of impact to change during the course of the day as the sun changes it position relative to the target. 2) If you change aperture size after sight-in, you most likely will have re-sight it again. 3) Changes in cheek position WILL affect your sighting. 4) Changes in body positions WILL affect you sighting. 5) Do not mix ammo, I always try to use the same lot of ammo in a session, even with GP11. W&F diopter adjustments are by where the shot was. EG: If you shooting high at 12 o'clock, correct by turning the knob in direct H, for High. T= Low, R= Right, L= Left. Germanic target sights always have "bei" on each correction knob. This translates to "by". This is how you know that you must correct by where the shot was. Anschtz, Walther, Gehmann, Ruag, Grnig & Elmiger.... etc, all use this system. The problem MOST of the people I have helped with shooting a K31, or any other sizable rifle, have is flinching. The best way to overcome it is by calling your shots. If you have no idea where you last shot went, then either your eyes were closed or the sights were moving too much from jerking the trigger. Should this happen to you( It does to EVERYONE now and then), dryfire untill you see the sights are stable during the firing process |
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wkato |
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For all those interested in W&F Diopters a trusted source and friend of Swiss rifle forums is Guisans who operates a mini-swiss shop for us Swissaholic and offers the W&F Diopter and more just click on mini-shop below for W&F diopters and accessories.
Guisan's Mini-Shop Wes Swiss Flu Support Group
Curio and Relics Firearms Forum Swiss Rifles "Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory." |
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Hawkster318 |
Inserts for Diopters | ||
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Type P Diopter:
Lyman Sight Insert Set Series 20 and 93 www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=766991 W&F Diopter: Lyman Sight Insert Set Series 17A www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=765181 |
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Guisan |
Diopters... | ||
![]() ![]() The 1911 series of rifles had a rail fitted by 2 screws on top of the receiver that took an Anschtz 6702. ![]() Wyss now makes a modern variant for the 1911 ![]() The old W+F K-(for clamp) diopters come in two variants, at the left the early version with the clamp screw on top. There are still some accessories around for these diopters like variable irisses for front and rear as seen in this picture. This type of diopter is no longer made since 1995 and because it was made by the same factory that made the K31's it is looked after and very expensive. ![]() Rare accessories are besides the old instruction sheet the diopter protective cover and the key. ![]() For left eye dominant right handed shooters a special version was made with the sights attached more to the left. ![]() Like this picture shows. ![]() The Wyss is another Swiss clamp-on diopter that takes the larger and more common Anschtz sized irisses and inserts. The shaft makes it possible to set eye relief over a short distance and special modified shafts are available for long distance shooters. ![]() ![]() The W+F front tunnel (right) takes the smaller 17A inserts and clamps on top of the "ears" of the front sight base. ![]() ![]() The Wyss tunnel has a dovetail that slides under the "ears" of the front sight base. A small hex screw inside the tunnel keeps the tunnel secured in place, the normal blade needs to be removed for this one. ![]() The W+F and US-made St.Marie diopter are very similar in appearance, the St.Marie has the common wider Anschtz thread to take irisses. ![]() Front tunnels from left to right; W+F Wyss St.Marie All these front sights are interchangeable between the several brands of diopters. Guisan. |
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Hawkster318 |
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Swiss Products.theswissriflesd... |
Type P and Type PII Diopters | ||
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Presenting the Flagship of the Swiss Products Line... The New Type P/S (steel) Diopter.
It will replace all of the Diopters in the Swiss Products line including the Type P, Type PII and the Type PIIC.
Last Edited By: Swiss Products
07/17/09 1:30 PM.
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O Dubhghaill |
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The link for Guisan's Mini-Shop is not working - anyone have this url? Thanks in advance.
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Hawkster318 |
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http://curioandrelicfirea...uku.com/topic/6969?page=1
I tried both links posted in the post above without issue. |
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O Dubhghaill |
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Yup, your link works - I thought there was a link at the end of the 3d post in this thread. Thanks.
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Hawkster318 |
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I can see where you'd think that.
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Guisan |
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I did shut down all the shop links, if you need anything just PM or email (address when you click my name at the left) me as I can't keep up anymore with
the fluctuating exchange rates and rising shipping cost.
Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40 |
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