can the barrel be threaded into the 03 reciever or is it neccessary to shorten it by I believe .002 as a friend suggests.
thanks
gil
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Tweed on a 1903 Turk reciever |
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can the barrel be threaded into the 03 reciever or is it neccessary to shorten it by I believe .002 as a friend suggests.
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Thor96 |
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Swedes seat against the shoulder. 98 Turks seat against the tenon. Most important is that the tenon seats before the shoulder. You may want to close the
airgap on the shoulder, but it is not necessary. Ideally, you get it close but you don't want the shoulder seating before the tenon. I can't say about
.002" That sounds arbitrary and may not work.
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dirty jim |
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there is enough variables in tolerance that you would really need to check the distance from the face of the receiver to the torque shoulder against the
distance face of the barrel to the shoulder. you'll need a depth mic. to do this accurately this. a quick & easy way to check is to put a light coating
of prussian blue on the face of the barrel & the face of the shoulder then thread it into the action till it bottoms out then remove it & it will be
obvious if its seating on the torque shoulder or the receiver face. you can also use a sharpie pen instead of prussian blue & just seat the barrel a couple
of times to see where it rubs the marks off.
proud member of the Hillbilly Gunsmithing Guild
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SAC22PPC |
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this is what i do when rebarreling. its specialized work rebarreling a rifle correctly, althought many guys wing it and get the job done.
on the 98 mauser and those related to it there are two shoulders. inner/outer or primary and secondary. the inner/primary shoulder is the very end of the threaded end of the barrel. the outer/secondary shoulder is the one next to the threads and along the body of the barrel. idealy you messure the shoulders in the receiver and then lathe turn their distances into the barrels shoulder. make the barrel a mirror of the reciever. (something that can help but is not needed .001 short on the outer/secondary shoulder gives firm tenson on both mating shoulders. the outer shoulder of the reciever tends to crush a bit, the .001 just distributes force onto both shoulders i think a little better than perfectly equal does.) i strongly sujest not using a dial caliper. if you use a dial caliper make sure the butt end parts are true and square, then you have to keep the thing square while taking readings. if you do this yourself you will need a deapthmicrometer, lathe and knowledge on how to use them. then make the barrel mirror the receiver. BUT your still left with headspacing! i hope your planing on reaming the chamber, if not it adds another layer of difficulty to turning the shoulders correctly on your barrel. i am not going to go into that process since it will get both yours and my head spining...' |
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donmarkey |
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I fit my 98 barrels to the inner torque ring. After truing both the inner ring and the receiver face, I cut the barrel tenon .002 longer. This brings it flush
when tighening the barrel but doesn't put and pressure on the barrel.
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bayouray |
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Don, I was looking for a truing tool for the inner shoulder. Brownells no longer sells the tool even though they used to. I might try to make one like on
Steve Wagner's site but I have a question. He uses a piece of brass that he parts from a rod as the truing surface of the tool. Wouldn't you want
something at least as hard as the surface you are trying to true to make a difference? What do you use?
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dirty jim |
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ray, the reason they use brass is because the lapping compound imbeds into the brass because its soft & cutts the steel instead of cutting the brass. if
you was to make the tool with steel instead of brass both surfaces would be cut instead of just one
the tool on wangners site should work.
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donmarkey |
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Mine it like wagners except I used aluminum. Same embedding principal as Jim described. One of the smiths I know used a fixture to hold the receiver and he
trues with a boring bar. The same way he recuts lug seats.
Don |
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bayouray |
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Thanks guys.....that does make sense now that it is explained.
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